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get weird around here. >> interesting outfit. >> my gosh! >> eric: yes, the dreaded fiscal cliff. tax hike, spending cut and sequestion ration, whatever they are. belly flop the economy at once. comfortabling the know that d.c. is on top of it all. alex simpson, former senator and the guy that everyone thinks is a lifeguard at the fiscal pool. ♪ ♪ >> eric: okay, beckel is gangnam style. good to know we're in good hands but get serious, folks. >> any word from karl rove? >> despite what we're telling you, it's over. romney lost. >> i guess it's time i explain, the good people, the upcoming fiscal cliff. >> the economy is the car and rich sman a driver. don't give the driver many. they will drive you over a cliff. just common sense. >> eric: not exactly. the only way to save the republic is for us to let the president go off the fiscal cliff. taxes will go up. but mandatory spending cuts get enacted. that seems to be the only way dems will cut a dime. let's save the place for the kids. do you agree? >> greg: i do. >> bob: i think you're crazy. >> greg: funny that bob and i agree but
putting his foot down. he says no tax hikes for the wealthy, no deal. america hits that fiscal cliff in 27 days and that means tax hikes and deep spending cuts if the democrats and the republicans can't come together in some kind of a deal and with just ten days remaining until congress is scheduled to go home for the holidays, the clock ticking. here's what he told bloomberg news. listen. >> we're going to have to see the rates on the top 2% go up and we're not going to be able it to get a deal without it. >> we start this morning with white house correspondent dan lothian, he's in washington, d.c. okay. so who's got the ball in their court at this point then, dan? >> well, you know, i think the house gop, they have presented their counteroffer which white house spokesman jay carney is referring to as, quote, magic beans and fairy dust. we expect that house republicans will keep putting pressure on the white house to engage, push for more details on what the white house will accept when it comes to additional entitlement cuts. but i think what's unclear is what kind of negotiating is goin
the pieces coming together on the fiscal cliff some increase in marginal tax rates coupled with some kind of cutting back on tax expenditures. the real concern is shifting or will shift from the fiscal cliff to the debt limit. it's not clear that the republicans will agree to including a debt limit increase in that kind of package and if they don't, we may get past december 31st only to find ourselves with a big problem in february or march. >> the obama administration has been clear they will not sign anything. even to get past december 31st. so do you think they can hold firm on that if republicans offer them a package that doesn't include the debt ceiling? >> this is where i think the tension is now arising, which is even if you have some agreement over the tax rates which will jam the republicans a bit, can you jam them on the debt limit also, the concern will be an administration overstepping or overream reaching and trying to jam in the kinds being discussed now. i'm all in favor of getting rid of the debt limit. it makes no sense from a technical perspective. but it's probably a br
have this year, the fiscal cliff in the way. republicans say if you raise taxes on the top 2% that will hurt small business and will kill jobs. talked to the ceo of fedex and he says, shall we say, there's mythology around that assumption. listen. >> the reality is the vast majority of jobs in the united states are produced by capital investment and equipment and software that's not done by small business. >> right. >> it's done by big business, and the so-called gazelles, the emerging companies like the new fracing oil and gas operations. >> we've talked about this so many times. >> yeah. >> it's demand that creates jobs. >> that's exactly right, and i'm glad fraud smith says that. gone from understanding that small business creates most of the new jobs generally in the united states, not all jobs. now that doesn't mean we shouldn't do all we can for small business because they are going to be on the margins where the new jobs come, from but we have got to have an environment that creates jobs for everyone and you've done the studies yourself to show that increasing taxes on
. everybody is looking at the fiscal cliff, tax the rich more for the fiscal. okay. we've got that. but we are definitely going to tax the rich just a little bit more come january 1 to pay for obamacare, specifically taxes on capital gains, dividends going up to just a little bit more, just a little bit more on january 1, and also a little bit more on income of those people making more than $200,000 a year. so we have defined rich down to $200,000 a year. it was a lot higher than that, but guaranteed january 1, a little bit more for obamacare. >> steve: when you say a little bit more, you mean like 3 or 4%, which adds up. >> it does. it's 3.8% extra as a capital gains tax. >> steve: that's a done deal. that's baked into the health care reform? >> that's it. there is no discussion about it. that was passed two years ago. this is going to happen. then you've got maybe a little bit more on income and other forms of income if we approach this fiscal cliff and the president gets his way. he is digging in his heels on higher tax rates on upper income earners. that will be a little bit more from
, ands or buts on that specific aspect of the fiscal cliff. >> with respect to the tax rates, i want to emphasize, i am open to new ideas. i'm not going to slam the door in their face. i want to hear -- i want to hear ideas from everybody. >> that's not a no. here is the treasury secretary timothy geithner. >> there's no agreement that doesn't involve the rates going up on the top 2%. >> not necessarily going up to the clinton era rates. just going up. today at a press conference at the capital, boehner got a question about this. listen carefully to how he responded or didn't respond. >> you did speak with the president earlier this week. can you characterize this call? and also we understand that he just is making clear that it's got to be increasing rates for the wealthy or no deal. are you willing to give a little bit? maybe just not all the way to 39.6? >> the phone call was pleasant, but just more of the same. the conversations that the staff had yesterday, just more of the same. it's time for the president, if he's serious, to come back to us with a counteroffer. >> not a no on
less in case taxes do go up. >> experts say the fiscal cliff could play grinch to the u.s. economy during the holiday shopping season. in a recent survey, the national retail federation found about 2/3 of shoppers said the fiscal cliff and other economic concerns would affect their holiday spending. the fiscal cliff will result in tax increases and federal spending cuts. >> both parties are kind of, hey, i'm going to do my thing, you're going to do your thing, nobody seems to want to give in. they're going to have to because this country's in a dire situation. >> many shoppers agree, as tax paying citizens, one of the top things on their wish list for christmas is for the president and congress to compromise and to get a deal done. >> please start working together and remember the people who put you in office. >> nadia ramdass, wbal-tv 11 news. >> jews around the world celebrated the beginning of eight-day hanukkah festival saturday evening by lighting the candles of the ceremonial lamps. in chicago, hundreds gathered to watch the lighting of an eight-foot menorah. also known as th
and others to avoid the fiscal cliff between now and december 31st but take what we agree on which is that the middle class tax cuts should be extended and tax rates should not go up for the middle class, let's do that now. the republicans refuse to do that thus far, which is sort of baffling. even some of their senior members like tom cole from oklahoma have said let's take that deal, but let's pass the tax cuts for the middle class and we're talking about making sure that tax rates for 98% of all americans and 97% of all businesses. it's a small percentage of individuals that make more than $250,000 a year that tax rates would go up just a little bit. we had an election, thomas, where americans had a clear choice and they chose and we need to make sure that we think a balanced approach that is fair, that doesn't throw the middle class under the bus and that works mathematically. so far what we've seen from republicans in the house does not work in terms of reducing the deficit. >> congresswoman, we are watching the president on our screen at the business roundtable. there was an
and focusing on the expiring tax cuts as we near this fiscal cliff. we're going to bring their remarks live as they happen. first, christine romans has a look at what it would be like he if the country let those tax cuts expire, and we go off the so-called fiscal cliff. >> reality track says one in three homes sold short. right now you don't owe taxes on the forgiven debt. on the other side of the fiscal cliff you do. it gives homeowners a tax break on unpaid mortgage debt and expires on december 31st unless congress acts. >> the average amount that homeowners are short in a short sale is $95,000. if this tax break goes away as part of the so-called fiscal cliff, those homeowners could be taxed on that $95,000 as additional income starting in 2013. >> how much homeowners will owe in taxes on that amount depending on the tax bracket they're in. on average it would be between 20 to $25,000. the banks have an extra incentive to stel short and absorb the loss. under the national mortgage settlement act that went into effect earlier this year, the nation's biggest lenders get a credit for short
down payment to avoid what people are calling the fiscal cliff, the automatic tax increases for every american or the beginning of the 10 years automated cuts that are supposed to happen but i don't think that anything is going to happen immediately. it has to happen over the long-term chsm is an acknowledgment of how difficult the sticking points are and challenges are. >> meredith, righting for "roll call," covering the fiss -- fiscal cliff discussions on capitol hill. thanks for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> john boehner has sent president obama a counterour. a spokesman for house speaker boehner declined to share details of the offer but said the proposal would solve our looming debt crisis and create american jobs. we're still waiting for the white house to identify what spending cuts the white house will make and the longer the white house slow walk this is policy the close we get to fiscal cliff. we'll hear what senate leaders had to say today they spoke for 15 minutes at the capitol. >> it's time to see if the president is willing to make any cuts at all and whether
on different aspects of the fiscal cliff. we want to look at capital gains tax and the estate tax. what is the estate tax? guest: it goes back to history -- it was put in place to prevent the united states from developing an aristocracy. a tax on estates that are passed down to heirs. republicans called the death tax. they have characterized it as a bad thing. it has a lot of a populist opposition to it. george w. bush signed in a phase-out of the estate tax. the top rate stays at 55%. the exemption level started rising from $1 million and going up. it was repealed completely in 2010 for one year. then it sprang back to life as part of the extension of the bush tax cuts that president obama signed into law. you have a debate -- very few members dispute that it needs to be continued. the debate is over whether you continue it at the current level. there is an exemption level, $10 million for a couple. or at the white house would prefer a 45% rate. that is the debate right now. there's a split among democrats. the white house wants a less generous estate tax. red-leaning states like max b
it's called fiscal cliff. and called radical tax increase. it was meant to cause a recession. the government felt in its infinite wisdom that -- >> you think it's a radical tax increase? >> i think so, yeah. i think you'll notice it in your paycheck for certain. >> that's absolutely for sure. >> your first check, second paycheck, then you get the chaos that bowles mentioned. and the chaos is, wow, i have much less to spend. i didn't know this was coming. alternative minimum tax being the silent killer who really understands how much more they have to pay, check at the end of the year. do the math. >> we saw it in the consumer sentiment numbers, and what it will be when the increases actually go through. most of that decline in sentiment that we saw on friday was from households earning more than $75,000. a higher income in this survey, households felt it the most, even though it's not here technically. >> one of the more interesting conversations over the weekend was bob corker saying, let's just go ahead, concede to the tax argument, which would flip the entire spotlight ont
the government point of view, everybody is talking about jobs and the fiscal cliff. everyone talks about taxes and what is going to happen with the fiscal cliff. there has been $1500 gone to increase oil prices. you can get them that tax cut today if you invested in our report. everybody talks about entitlements. high oil prices make the social security trust insolvent five years sooner than they would if he did not have high oil prices. america needs jobs and growth. following the recommendations in our report will lead to both of those. it would be good for american business. >> i will start with senator alexander. tell me about energy policy and where it fits in with the fiscal cliff. what we will spend money on and how we were tightened our belts. >> the major place it fits is the right policy would create an environment which would produce a lot more revenue. that would help to reduce the debt. the federal government doesn't spend much money on energy. energy research is about $6 billion a year. i would like to see it doubled. this report is a blueprint for independence and i think it is
to the federal government without raising tax rates. >> going over the fiscal cliff also means the 2% payroll tax holiday would expire. it would mean cuts in unemployment benefits for millions of families. lawmakers have until december 31st to agree on a deal. >>> as we reported earlier this evening, the president took a break to join the first family for the lighting of the national christmas tree on the ellipse. as fox 5's bob barnard tells us, others there say that icy chill in the air needs to thaw if we're ever going to avoid that fiscal cliff. >> reporter: yes, the president and malia obama with sasha and first lady michelle leading a chorus of santa claus is coming to town. >> one. >> reporter: the ceremony of music and lights as the national christmas tree comes to life. >> i'm so excited for christmas. i can feel christmas already now. >> reporter: but the holiday cheer, the spectacle of this illuminating tradition tempered by thoughts of the looming fiscal cliff. >> he's making us wait a little bit. >> reporter: this is 6-month- old evan nicolsky. his father neil works for the depar
that you think that going over the fiscal cliff is in president obama's best interest. >> i really believe that. frankly, the lack of credible solutions and backtracking like the amount of spending. doubling the taxes he wants raised and the fact he wants stimulus package that he knew nobody was going to support here. doesn't look like he's trying to engage in ernest discussions, which leads me to believe he wants us to go over the cliff and be able to blame the republicans and maybe it's more about politics. >> congress people themselves said the election was a referendum on the president's ideas. part of that was the very clear message of tax hikes on the top 2%. >> that's great, but he didn't win my district and i did. so my mandate is something else. >> good appoint. >> if we only represent our own slices we'll never get anything done. >> you hit the nail on the head. what we're being asked is the republican conference, jump off the cliff alone. if this is going to be a deal, we've got to grab hands together and jump off together. they have got to put the long-term obligations on the t
over the fight in the fiscal cliff. americans face crushing tax hikes and severe spending cuts in 27 days if democrats and republicans cannot come together on a deal. by the way, congress breaks for the holidays in ten days. slash that number. in an interview with bloomberg news, the president made it crystal clear he's not about to blink on the issue of tax hikes for the wealthiest americans. >> we'll have to see the rates on the top 2% go up. and we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> white house correspondent dan lothian joins us live from washington this morning. very nice to see you, dan. >> good to see you. >> here's the deal. we have republicans pitted against democrats. now we understand there are issues amongst republicans as well. >> that's right. they're in a tough spot here. they don't want to be in left in a position of being blamed for the fiscal cliff. you're seeing a division between house members and senate members. the reason for this is mainly over the 800 billion in new tax revenue. this was part of john boehner and plan. those tea party-backed co
boehner speaking by telephone on tuesday changing fiscal cliff proposals. reducing new tax revenue from 1.6 to $1.4 trillion over five years. but they're jockeying on who should spell out the specifics on the spending cuts. walmart's ceo mike duke expressed concerns about the fiscal cliff. >> the week before the election, only one-fourth, 25% of our core customers even knew what fiscal cliff meant. okay? one week after the election, it was up to 75%. now these same customers, 15% of our customers are telling us, this discussion about fiscal cliff will affect what they spend on christmas. >> that's a fascinating read on -- >> i wonder who's doing the surveying? how is that occurring? >> greeters? >> i would be curious how they know those percentages. do they ask people at the -- >> yeah. >> and can you define the fiscal cliff? i don't mean to question the methodology, it's interesting. >> just curious. >> i think that when i was in washington, i got the sense that there were just a lot of people there who actually thought romney was going to win. and there would be no fiscal cliff because
very much. >>> one aspect of the fiscal cliff debate that hasn't been hardly noticed is the estate tax. how much gets taxed when the move is moved from one generation it the next? >> death and taxes may be certain, but the death tax as its called is in limbo. the reason, well, the fiscal cliff. the current rate is 35%. only those estates worth 5 million or more have to file. if we go off the cliff the rate shoots up to 55%. anyone worth an estate worth $1 million or more has it file. that will catch tens of thousands of tax payers in the net of the estate tax. republicans want it abolished or current rates to be made permanent. obama wants 45% rate and 3.5 million cut off. that mid way between today's rates and old rate. the problem is that even some democrats are siding with republicans saying they want it keep current rates. all the sides here tyler remain very far apart. wealthy families need 20 rewrite their wills and charity plans. for the country, there are hundreds of billions of dollars at stake. under old rates, they raise $532 billion by 2021. obama plan raised around $270 bi
a fiscal cliff deal must include new revenues. the president pushed his plan to raise taxes on household earning over $250,000 a year. >> and i am here to tell you that nobody wants to get this done more than me. >> reporter: john boehner has a hard sell of his own with conservatives upset over his offer of $800 billion in new taxes. >> the plans the white house has talked about us this far, they could not pass either house. >> reporter: a "washington post" poll finds 53% would blame republicans if the country went over the fiscal cliff while only 27% would blame the president. >> we need new thinking and renewed efforts from all americans. >> reporter: republicans and democrats are voicing support for extending middle class tax cuts until a larger deal is found. >> which i hope they will. that that will be a victory for the american people. >> reporter: republicans, like virginia's eric cantor, said the gop has offered plans that will avoid tax hikes. >> and the proposal that we sent to the president deserves a response. >> reporter: maryland congressman steny hoyer warns congressional
the fiscal cliff. the president heard how tax increases would affect a middle class family like that one if no deal is reached by the end of the year. democrats and republicans are still at an impasse over raising taxes for the top 2% of the nation's earners. >>> police arrested a 17-year-old student in montgomery county who brought a gun to school this morning. the campus officer arrested octavio estevez in rock vail. he was not supposed to be at school today but showed up anyway. the campus officer asked him to leave. when he didn't, the officer searched him and found an unloaded handgun in his backpack. >>> exclusive details about efforts to relocate the fbi headquarters on pennsylvania avenue northwest. d.c. officials have privately said they would support moving the fbi to prince george's county if the county would allow the redskins to move back into the district. today the county publicly dismissed that idea. >>> tonight police are searching for clues in what they believe to be a planned attack in a northern virginia hotel. someone sexually assaulted a female hotel clerk last nigh
: okay. fiscal cliff. let's go back to the reagan tax rates. everybody loved reagan. he's their hero. let's go back to his rates. number two save medicare and medicaid. let's put a little doughnut in there. let's go up to $110,000, everybody pays. and then after the $110,000, you go to $250,000, nobody pays but after $250,000, you pay for fica on everything. on your dividends on capital gains, everything. >> stephanie: yep. >> caller: we won't have any problems. as a matter of fact, i can sit back in my retirement chair and relax. >> stephanie: he dropped another f bomb on me, fica. more hump days with hal coming up on "the stephanie miller show." jennifer >>>> i want the people who watch our show to be able to come away armed with facts and the arguments to feel confident in their positions. i want them to have the data and i want them to have the passion. but it's also about telling them that you're put on this planet for something more! i want this show to have an impact beyond just informing. an impact that gets people to
cliff, what it means is the taxes will go up on the wealthy, the big earners. it also goes up on the middle class. i assume the middle class will look to the rawp republicans foe fact that their taxes come up so political check mate. >> i'm not so sure. president obama could avoid that very simply by putting maybe two or three to one expenditure reductions on the table for revenue increases, something like sim responsibl simpson bow. he has a formula given to him by a commission he appointed and heted that formula and presented to the republicans a program which was basically just a massive tax increase over and above the massive tax increase that's going to take place with the bush tax cuts expiring, so i don't see where there's -- he hasn't given them room to compromise. maybe if he had put his tax increases on the table and put up expenditure reductions of, you know, one and a half to one and republicans can negotiate it to two or two and a half to one, i mean, that would be an adult, mature, sensible negotiation. the kind that i used to do with the democratic speaker of th
are concerned about the fiscal cliff, because of taxes. we are saving, absolutely. we're holding on any types of expansion. in an economy that's like desperate for jobs, that shouldn't be the case. there's really no politics when you have to balance the budget like we do in business every day. it's the same here. i would like lawmakers in congress to compromise and make a settlement, avoid the fiscal cliff, and move on. >> welcome back to our sal mission critical rise above d.c. coverage. i'm jim cramer. becky quick. we're coming to you from capitol hill. and we're here encouraging lawmakers to rise above partisan politics and negotiate a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. joining us now senator ron johnson, republican from wisconsin. thanks so much for coming. >> good morning. >> i'm getting worried here. because clock is ticking. should we allow a vacation without legislation? >> no, i'm happy to stay here until we get this thing fixed. understand how absurd this process is. we've done this with the debt ceiling. with the super committee. now we're back here again where we've got two people, a
them at their word, it sounds like the president is anxious to go over the fiscal cliff, and he leaves very little room for republicans to negotiate with him with a 1.7 trillion dollar tax increase, 50 billion more in stimulus spending, and absolutely no expenditure reductions that are going to take place right now. i mean, from the point of view of republicans, you're going to get more spending decreases if you go over the fiscal cliff than if you deal with president obama. >> greta: well, it appears to many in the city that it's politico check mate for the president. if we go over the fiscal cliff, what it means is the taxes will go up on the wealthy, the big earners. it also goes up on the middle class. i assume the middle class will look to the rawp republicans foe fact that their taxes come up so political check mate. >> i'm not so sure. president obama could avoid that very simply by putting maybe two or three to one expenditure reductions on the table for revenue increases, something like sim responsibl simpson bow. he has a formula given to him by a commission he appointed and
on negotiations to avoid the massive tax hikes and spending cuts that we know as the fiscal cliff. why did frankie muniz have a mini stroke sat age 27 in the former "malcolm in the middle" star will join us to talk to us about the health scare. >>> new world order, asia returning to the power it last held in the middle ages, what this means for the u.s. >>> i'm okay. >> a ceiling collapses in the middle of an interview, a storm tears through the south. we'll have an update on the damage straight ahead. >>> we're rocking out this morning, juk lavell, the fifth rolling stone will talk about the stones tour, tuesday, december 11th and "starting point" begins right now. >>> welcome back, bob shrum, ryan lizza, from "the new yorker" john berman have a seat, christine romans sticking around to help us out. our "starting point" zipped lips on capitol hill, how rare is that. if silence is golden maybe we'll have a deal on the fiscal cliff crisis sometime soon. there's 21 days left before the tax hikes and spending cuts kick in to send us over the cliff or down that gentle slope as some like to call it. co
of the fiscal cliff, higher taxes on everybody. one thing that will happen without an agreement, all the bush tax rates go away, so everyone's taxes are going to go up. you'll see that emphasized over the next couple weeks. you'll hear the white house talk about what a bad situation there will be after january 1 if this deal is not cut. >> david jackson, "usa today," shira toeplitz, "roll call." we appreciate your time so much we'll talk to you later in the hour as well. >> thank you. >>> the last remaining house race of the 2012 election cycle is pabt to come to a close. in louisiana, republican congressman charles boustany jr., jeff landry facing off in a runoff election. they were forced to run in the same district in bayou because of the state's shrinking congressional delegation. both conservative republicans, landry a tea party freshman. we'll keep you abreast of what happens. >>> meanwhile, high drama about to surround the high court as the justices agree to take on the high-stakes issue of same-sex marriage. ♪ >>> the man with that most-watched youtube video of all time due to perfo
, he was putting pressure on lawmakers to come to an agreement to avoid the fiscal cliff. it was yet another white house effort to rally support around its approach to the fiscal cliff. joe biden sitting down with seven middle class americans worried about their taxes going up. >> these are hard working, serious americans who are playing by the rules, doing it all right, and struggling already in this economy. >> reporter: jobs numbers, proof the administration says that the president's economic policies are paying off. >> you see it in the retail industry, you see it in transportation. you see it in health care. and you see it in other sectors. you do see a continued movement that continues to show some positive growth. >> reporter: while cautioning the nation's economy is far from a full recovery, administration officials emphasize positive growth, suggesting it puts them in a stronger negotiating position with republicans. one senior administration official told cnn, quote, we shouldn't muck it up by raising taxes on the middle class or playing chicken with the debt ceiling. but o
until our economy falls off the tax and fiscal cliff. just where do we stand on a deal coming out of washington, d.c.? cnbc correspondent joins us with all the details. >> reporter: as you know the white house's strategy since the election has been to break republican resistance on two issues. one is tax rates and one is an increase in the debt limit. he hasn't succeeded or budged off that attempt so far which is why john boehner came out in a news conference today and slammed the white house for not being willing to compromise. >> four days ago we offered a serious proposal based on testimony of president clinton's former chief of staff. since then there's been no counter offer from the white house. instead, reports indicate that the president has adopted a deliberate strategy to slow walk or economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. >> a few hours later you had a slight indication of flexibility from the administration. vice president joe biden was out. he reiterated those two nonnegotiable demands on the part of the administration but said the actual amount of that top rat
economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. intent of reforming the tax code, the president wants to raise tax rates. even if the president got the tax rate hikes he wanted, understand we would continue to see trillion dollar deficit for a start -- far is that i can see. listed, washington has a problem spending, not the revenue problem. the president does not agree with our proposal. i believe is an obligation to families and small businesses to offer a plan of his own, a plan that can pass both chambers of the congress. we are ready and eager to talk to the president about such a plan. >> you did speak with the president earlier this week. did he have any kind of counter offer? we understand he is making clear it has to be increasing rates for the wealthy or no deal. are you willing to give up a little bit? >> the phone call was pleasant, but more of the same. it is time for the president, if he is serious, to come back to us with a counter offer. >> and a plan is down roughly to the same last year. [inaudible] why take such a risk when the jobs number is improving? >> the rest
administration is willing to go over the fiscal cliff. nbc's tracie potts joins us live from washington with an update. good morning to you. >> reporter: let's start with geithner. he told cnbc that instead of continuing tax breaks for the wealthy, the obama administration is willing to go over this cliff which means they're willing to let your taxes go up and unemployment checks go away massive spending cuts happen if the pentagon instead of continuing the tax breaks for the wealthy. now there's been very little progress here on chiapitol hill which is why so many have gone home. we know that president obama and john boehner spoke by phone. republican sources telling us they had a conversation yesterday. we don't have a readout on what that was about. we don't know that if any meetings have been scheduled. but any small sign of progress is welcome here on capitol hill. now with so many lawmakers headed home and likely to face the ire of their constituents, we saw one protester in baltimore yesterday over social security. there are a few left. today there's a joint economic committee he
the numbers and found if the nation goes over the fiscal cliff, high income californians would beat out new yorkers and hawaiians for the potential highest tax rate at nearly 52%. >>> forbes is out with the 2012 most powerful people list. president obama held on to the top spot for a second year. the pope climbed two notches from last year. he is in fifth place. facebook's ceo mark zuckerburg went to number 25. former president clinton held on to number 50. and tonight be sure to watch brian williams sit down with tim cook. by the way, he's number 35 on the forbes list. >> finally, no, this is no joke. pizza hut in canada sent more than 100 bottles of pizza cented perfume to facebook fans. the fragrance boasts freshly baked hand tossed dough. >>> some optimistic news in the fight against breast cancer. women who took the common estrogen blocking drug tamoxofin cut the chance of getting breast cancer in half. >>> coming up, corey booker lives on food stamps. the nfl steps in with a million dollars for jovan belcher's orphan daughter and high resolution images of your planet earth from space.
the country will think republicans are to blame if we go over the fiscal cliff, six out of ten voters in november said the tax rates should go up, how much longer can he afford to politically keep this pledge and he said look, you heard it there, the rates when we close the revenues, loopholes will go up on the rich people. that still is the mindset. what's interesting, is talking to republicans leaving the house conference gop conference this morning, there is a lot of support for speaker boehner. there aren't cracks like there were during the debt limit where he had a faction that was lining up against him wholeheartedly. even after yesterday we heard all the stuff of fallout from the conservative right against his position, that conference this morning was pretty supportive of speaker boehner and seem to be -- say something we say way too often here in washington, d.c., doubling down on the speaker's approach, at least here in early december. >> everyone seems to be doubling down, luke. i mean the idea that now nobodies's moving at all. i thought it was interesting that boehner is
, the president is hitting the road talking to families like the santanas in falls church about the fiscal cliff. the santanas, a family living with older parents say they stand to see their taxes go up by $4,000 if congress does not act now. the cliff would essentially mean the expiration of the bush era tax cuts. and that includes benefits to the middle class. everyone here on the hill agrees those families should be spared, but the president wants to raise taxes on the wealthy. republicans oppose the hike saying it would further hurt our economy. in the meantime, the president is also playing hardball on the debt ceiling. obama wants the $16.4 trillion debt ceiling to be lifted allowing for more government money to pay off medicare and tax refunds. he says without a resolution to the debt ceiling, there is no deal. >> just to be clear, i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rate from going up for folks at the top 2%. >> what the president is really interested in as we learned just yesterday is getting as much taxpayer money as he can first by raising taxes on small bu
of the mack beeian army and the triumph of light over darkness. >>> in fiscal cliff negotiations, it's looking more like president obama could get his way on tax hikes for the wealthy. he met behind closed doors with house speaker john boehner at the white house this afternoon. no word yet on what came out of those talks, but an increasing number of congressional republicans are indicating they'll accept a tax -- >> we have spent all this time talking about revenue, but as we watched our government continue to spend more. this is really about spending. >> will i accept a tax increase as a part of a deal to actually solve our problems? yes. >> across the board tax hikes and spending cuts will automatically kick in if the white house and congress continueeach a deal now in 22 days. >>> dallas cowboys player remains behind bars tonight after a deadly crash that killed a teammate. defensive lineman josh brent is being held on half a million dollars bond. his lawyer called that excessive. police say brent was driving drunk when he crashed his car in the dallas suburb of irving yesterday. tem me tea
to hammer out a deal over tax hikes and spending cuts as the clock particulars towards that fiscal cliff deadline on january 11. mike emanuel is live. we are still getting hard lines from either side about where they stand on this. what is really happening behind the closed doors? are they closer to a dole? >> reporter: jenna you're right about a lot of tough talk in public, but behind closed doors we know the president, the speaker of the house john boehner had a phone call late yesterday, the first call they had in a week. there has not been much in the way of leaks as to what was discussed. most folks on capitol hill may suggest that no leaks means they are getting down to serious movement on finding a compromise to avert the fiscal cliff. because in public the treasury secretary was asked yesterday if the administration is prepared to go over the fiscal cliff. check this out. >> is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff. >> absolutely. we see no prospects for an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthist. remember it's only 2%.
to reporters about the looming fiscal cliff. both sides refusing to budge on the big issue of taxes. republican leaders in the house blaming president obama for the lack of action. they're calling on him to initiate face-to-face negotiations. did we say a deal has to be made in the next 25 days. house members are out of town for a long weekend break. fox business network's rich edson is live from washington. so are we seeing any movement in these talks at all, rich? >> some, jon. a house aide says president obama and house speaker john boehner spoke on the phone yesterday afternoon. that is their first conversation in a week and since republicans offered $800 billion in new tax revenue and more than a trillion dollars in spending cuts. aides refuse to say if the president and speaker are now closer to a deal. for both sides a little more campaigning. president obama heads to northern virginia this afternoon. the white house says he will meet with a middle class family to press congress to protect those making less than $250,000 a year from tax increases and raise rates on those making more. hou
to your calls about the fiscal cliff and whether -- we told president obama is still the best way to go. remember there's some risk here. the risk is if we do go over the cliff, allow taxes -- that means taxes on every american will go up. every taxpayer will go up first of the year. not just on the top 2%. and somebody's going to get the blame for that. we're counting on the republicans -- americans knowing that republicans are to blame. is that the case? do you agree. 1-866-55-press. is that what the president ought to do. 1-866-55-press. one thing you ought to -- before we get back to your calls urge you to consider, particularly if you are one of those families struggling to make ends meet at the end of every month and who's not, take a look at incomeathome.com. no obligation. just check it out. they're america's leading work from home business and they're offering you an opportunity you can do. in matter your age education or experience, you can literally earn money on your own laptop from your own kitchen ta
by the same folks with the same agenda. >>> the g.o.p. house speaker sent the white house a fiscal cliff proposal calling for a permanent extension of the bush-era tax credit for incomes in the top 2%. that was the same proposal. >> that is the identical proposal. in 2011 that was the same proposal. john boehner he listen to this, this is b 12 john boehner after the election, what he was calling the president to do which he is not doing. >> mr. president this is your moment. we're ready to be led, not as democrats or republicans but as americans. we want to you lead, not as a liberal or conservative, but as president of the united states of america. we want to you succeed. let's challenge ourselves to find the common ground that has alluded us. let's rise above the dysfunction and do the right thing together for our country. >> cenk: now look, i'll tell i couldn't this pisses me off. lindsey graham says the same thing. this is not time to be liberal. conservatives say time to be conservatives. we've got a mandate. but not time to be liberal time to be bipartisan. you play small ball. you
need tax reform. immigration and tax reform post the fiscal cliff will create a legacy and may see congress doing something. >> that is why it is so important that they figure out a way to come together before the end of the year hopefully. if the environment is poisoned like it was after the stimulus, after the health care debate, the next four years will be ugh low. >> that's true. the higher number of women increases the chances. we will see. >> i saw the women here smiling. we were talking about how collaborative they were. the guys, not so much. >> we don't smile. i agree. the more women the better. i'm agreeing with you. can i say nothing? i said the more women, the better. i'm agreeing with you. the more women, the less self destructive egos and getting to a deal. do you have a problem with that. >> no,i don't. >> go with it. i give up. >> all right. still ahead, hollywood mogul joins us on set and author sebastian younger will be here. more morning joe in a moment. ♪ for over 40 years, we've brought our passion for fine coffee and espresso to people everywhere. but one pl
a call after both traded fiscal cliff proposals. neither sealed a deal, so we're now 20 days away from almost $500 billion this automatic tax hikes and spending cuts. i sound like a broken record. along with the potential for a new recession. shannon travis is following the deal make. do we know what was in the proposals? >> we're getting details in drips and drabs. the white house has offered according to a source telling cnn to basically revise their revenue target. p president obama originally proposed $1.6 trillion in new revenue. he wants to raise the tax rates on the wealthiest americans. now we're being told that he's revised that number down to $1.4 trillion. that's obviously a difference of $200 billion. a democratic aide also telling cnn, i'll read the quote, that offer was coupled with a serious spending cut number with real entitlement reform. so that's from the white house side. on the counterproposal from the republicans, we don't have a lot of details on that, but from boehner's office, republicans are basically awaiting spending cut specifics from the white house. meanw
on the negotiations to avoid the fiscal cliff. both sides now have less than four weeks to prevent steep tax hikes and spending cuts from taking effect. nbc's tracie potts is live on capitol hill with more. >> reporter: good morning. what could push that along is this morning's release of jobs numbers, telling how many people got jobs in november. it's not expected to change much. nationally we're at 7.9%, which is worth note ing is a lot high than the 5.1% here in the d.c. area. unemployment, if it continues to be stagnant, could force lawmakers to take a look at how close they want to get to that fiscal cliff, especially at this time of year. >> it's very important that we get this done now, that we don't wait. we're in the midst of the christmas season. the closer it gets to the brink, the more stressed they're going to be. businesses are making decisions right now about investment and hiring. if they don't have confidence week get this thing done, they're going to start pulling back, and we could have a rocky time in our economy over the next several months. >> reporter: we are now hearing the
with a deal on the fiscal cliff? why? because it represents the beginning of american austerity. higher taxes in the long run, spending cuts in the long run, that is a headwind for stocks. not a tailwind. i know everybody's excited about the deal being made. but a substantial minority believes that's a deal for the fed stocks. the general consensus down here, current purchases, $85 billion, is going to continue. instead of $45 billion from operation twist, operation twist goes away, and you go to outright purchases of treasuries. and you continue with that $40 billion in mortgage-backed security purchases. the $85 billion, they're doing right now, continues in a slightly different form. you guys, we're talking about aig. just two observations on aig. you'll notice here, it looks like to me they're not repurchasing any of their shares. they're dumping a huge amount of shares on the market. aig isn't actually buying it back. that's a signed of strength for the company. the other interesting thing is, the losses on sandy have been coming in recently. aig gave $2 billion in pre-tax losses. you in
, gary. >>> president obama says the approaching fiscal cliff is going to add some stress for a lot of american families over this holiday season. there are just 25 days to go now until the tax hikes and the budget cuts go into effect. that is unless our leaders can make a deal. the white house has made it clear, we could go over that cliff if republicans refuse to raise tax rates on the top 2% of american earners. >> for them to be burdened unnecessarily because democrats and republicans aren't coming together to solve this problem gives awe sense of the costs involved in very personal terms. >> now, from the republican perspective they say they would like to close some loopholes and eliminate tax breaks but they insist that the bush-era tax cuts must be extended for all americans. >>> new at 11:00, president obama on the phone with the president of egypt, pressing him about protests that have now turned deadly. here's the scene in cairo. at least six people dead, hundreds more injured. the trouble all started when morrisey granted himself broad new powers. hat grown worse after he
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